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Excellent Reg, just post ticket when you find a bug or think of a feature that would be useful.

Thanks for posting that Angel,

if I might comment on that (I'm sleemanj for those who don't know).   

Simply that's untrue, to set the record straight, I contacted Interactive Tools enquiring thier actions, saying I would take over development if they wished, contribute patches etc otherwise I would fork it.  They fluffed around for a bit, and then after a while started doing stuff on htmlarea.com, namely they asked for applications for developers.

They did not ask me to be a developer, let alone lead developer, even though I had obviously done considerable work and knew htmlarea probably better than most other regulars on htmlarea.com.

In addition they sent me a personal message and asked that I stop any posts regarding my at the time unofficial fork, and asked me to submit patches, which (I received the impression, as I'm banned now I can't get to that message) they might consider when they have time. 

I was a little offended by the message, but duly complied with the first request and edited my fork thread so it was unobvious and posted a farewell message in that same unobvious thead.

Interactive Tools  however wasn't happy with that and deleted the thread, and other threads too I guess.  Now it seems they have banned my account, and by the sounds of it, others who have mentioned association with me? 

Essentially Interactive Tools  wanted volunteer developers, not to do any of the work themselves, but retain full control over the project.  A day or two later, after some criticisim from others regarding thier stance, Interactive Tools decided that they would be the developers themselves.

I repeatedly publically said that Interactive Tools was welcome to take my code, it was at all times available, Interactive Tools never saw fit to do that.  Instead they took some old htmlarea code, stuffed up the CVS a bit, changed the build system, added in a few one liner fixes, and plastered the website with advertising for competitors to htmlarea.

After watching thier comedy of errors (and people who didn't know better still trying to get thier "Release Candidates" working, mostly without success) it was plain that with Interactive Tools in charge things were not going to work out, and so, Xinha happened.

Interactive Tools doesn't know jack when it comes to htmlarea.  It's my fervent belief that they simply didn't want to put any work into htmlarea, perhaps they thought they could spend a few hours on it, get it to 3.0 release and then call it done.  For them to say that I did not respond to them, respect them, or offer my code to them, is simply rubbish.

They wern't hiding anything.  There have been a few new plugins over there lately.  EFM seems to be interesting.

If it's just a RegExp then that should be able to be put into Xinha, I might have to make a hook available to plugins for when html goes in/out of the editor, but the functions are there to do it.

I'd be interested to see how you did this.  I just added an !important style, but it seems it's not enough to ensure that borders are visible when border styles are directly applied to the table.

Is this different from the TableOperations plugin?  Or you mean you make them totally disappear when not in a table?

That sounds like a very useful thing to make into a plugin

That sounds pretty flash!  How, err, secure is it from having any old Joe Blow come in and mess with files on the server?

Sounds like I could incorporate that in to the SuperClean plugin.

Cool, perhaps best if you can just submit a ticket ("Examine and incorporate changes from this htmlarea") with a Zip of your htmlarea directory attached.

Well, if you take a look at thier forums, it's, well, strange.  They claim to be activly developing it, but so far all I've seen is them screw up the CVS, make a couple of changes here and there, change the "build system" (?!?), ignore lots of bug reports and plaster the site with adverts for competing products.

Hence why I and others gave up waiting.

Yes I think it's fine, in this case, htmlarea is licence under the socalled "htmlArea Licence", which is essentially a BSD licence deriviation.  Renaming it shouldn't be a problem, AFAIK it has to stay under the htmlArea licence.  But I'm not at all sure about what the copyright status becomes (it's already (C) dynarch and (C) interactive tools), wether we can, or should add copyrights for myself and the other developers working especially in the editor core.

Heh.  Just keeping things simple

Certainly on replies to posts, there is a "subscribe to this topic" checkbox below the textarea.

For tickets, it should also work, if you go to the "settings" link at the top of the Trac system (Yermo as you have a Trac account you should login first) and enter in your name, email and I'd advise changing the session key to something you'll remember. The trac docs (in the Wiki http://xinha.gogo.co.nz/TracNotification) don't actually mention notifications working off that email, but I'm sure they would.

Note: the sessionkey is stored in a cookie so when you return it will pull the same session (and require you to login).  If you access from a different browser (or lose the cookie) then go to the settings page and scroll to the bottom where you can re-enter the session key (hence why change it to something memorable) to load the cookie back into the browser.